tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5368677310334370714.post416756365071862999..comments2024-03-28T16:32:41.081+00:00Comments on Battlefields and Warriors: OST Campaign East Front 1942Normhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05031444717952755557noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5368677310334370714.post-70214621337237925052020-06-25T13:56:59.581+00:002020-06-25T13:56:59.581+00:00Thanks Stu.probably he hardest part is not to allo...Thanks Stu.probably he hardest part is not to allow a side to get a momentum that is so significant that it quickly becomes an avalanche towards victory, making the last game or two boring. So far the balance seems tight, but only time and playing will tell.Normhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05031444717952755557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5368677310334370714.post-49078823089711491892020-06-25T13:53:06.303+00:002020-06-25T13:53:06.303+00:00Interesting to see in the future how one action wi...Interesting to see in the future how one action will affect the next and how each side will cope with the successes and failures. Great choice on the setting for the campaign. I don’t know who to root for. 😀Stewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00340930167419307092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5368677310334370714.post-81069377538977848962020-06-24T23:23:01.532+00:002020-06-24T23:23:01.532+00:00Norm,
Thank you very much, Sir, for taking the ti...Norm,<br /><br />Thank you very much, Sir, for taking the time to explain all that, very kind of you! And I'm happy to see it turned out I was on the right track with it being possible for the KV to be knocked out by the 75mm gun, but very, very difficult on the 2D6 roll, so excellent!<br /><br />V/R,<br />JackJust Jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03552962741823929433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5368677310334370714.post-28229087012940719522020-06-23T18:35:58.315+00:002020-06-23T18:35:58.315+00:00Hi Jack, good question. The KV fight is becoming a...Hi Jack, good question. The KV fight is becoming a game within a game :-)<br /><br />There is a two part process. For the ‘to hit’ at this range, the PzIV needs to roll 7 or higher, so a hit is just a bit better than 50% chance. (Note this is the L43 version of the 75mm, not the later L48).<br /><br />then looking at the hit, at this range the German 75mm L43 penetration figure is 8 (it is 10 at up to 250 metres) and the frontal armour of the KV is 9, But it gets a +2 cover bonus from the wall and a further +1 for additional cover it found by finding the ‘best’ position within the hex. And so the Panzer IV 8 is attacking a defence of 12, so is on the -4 column of the differential table.<br /><br />On 2 dice, it needs to score 9 or higher to inflict any harm and that is mostly shaken or broken tests, you have to roll a 12 to get actual damage.<br /><br />If the KV didn’t have cover, it would just defend at 9, so the panzer IV’s 8 would attack at -1 instead. This is much better, on 7+ you start to get effects, damage starts at 9+ and a knockout at 11+.<br /><br />So in our situation the chance of a ‘to hit’ followed by some effect behind all of that cover is a tough one, you need to be lucky with the dice.<br /><br />The 75/43 could penetrate 82mm at 30 degree from the vertical with standard shot. The KV-1 thickest armour is 90mm max, which we were probably getting because the tank has hull down protection (represented by the +3 defence bonuses of wall and cover).<br /><br />So we are probably in the right ball park with the chances being against the shot, but still some chance of harm, especially to ‘the nerves’ if the tankers fail any of those shaken or broken tests.<br /><br />What is an interesting aspect about the campaign is that when the forces are first set up, there is every chance that the Germans will pull out an 88mm gun of the hat! <br /><br />If they had done that, then just as happened in reality, when these KV’s were encountered, the 88’s could have been deployed.<br /><br />The unusual thing about the KV, it was heavily armoured everywhere, so even the flanks and rear have a value of 7! At this stage in the war, these really were tough cookies. I read an account somewhere of a captured KV that had held up the enemy for several days, was found have been hit over 130 times with various calibre of weapon (though at this time there were still a lot of 37mm guns about!).<br /><br />The mini campaign document is developing nicely and I think it will interest you from your own campaign interest. Cheers NormNormhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05031444717952755557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5368677310334370714.post-81475267044848701632020-06-23T14:09:06.388+00:002020-06-23T14:09:06.388+00:00Pretty cool stuff, Norm, and yes, very intense act...Pretty cool stuff, Norm, and yes, very intense action. <br /><br />My only question is, how did it strike you with the PzIVf2's long 75mm rounds bouncing off the KV-1 at 800m? I'll admit to being a bit surprised by that; it seemed to me that would be close enough to be able to score a penetrating hit. BUT, I'm certainly not a tankie technical guru, so maybe I'm incorrect about thinking the long 75mm could penetrate a KV-1's frontal armor at that range, or maybe the rules had it where it was possible to penetrate but the die rolls didn't succeed?<br /><br />At any rate, looking forward to part 2!<br /><br />V/R,<br />JackJust Jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03552962741823929433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5368677310334370714.post-82163189607813769312020-06-23T07:39:18.147+00:002020-06-23T07:39:18.147+00:00Hi Matt, the map is a lovely piece of work. The de...Hi Matt, the map is a lovely piece of work. The designer has just released Pacific modules and there are two maps available that are equally lovely.<br /><br />The fight against the KV has become a mini game in its own right.Normhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05031444717952755557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5368677310334370714.post-87190121139067806762020-06-23T07:21:10.492+00:002020-06-23T07:21:10.492+00:00Great looking map game Norm. It doesn’t matter wha...Great looking map game Norm. It doesn’t matter what scale you play but KV-1s are beasts to come up against at the early part of the war.Matt Crumphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06841790422716738842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5368677310334370714.post-34182482555372340492020-06-22T21:39:22.633+00:002020-06-22T21:39:22.633+00:00Thanks Iain, there are three more actions to go, s...Thanks Iain, there are three more actions to go, so this will only work if an interesting game to both sides can spin out of this, but it is a good start. The KV-1 performance was exactly as I read about in one of the Arten Drabkin books, so I am pleased about that.Normhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05031444717952755557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5368677310334370714.post-47736071620714616782020-06-22T20:18:57.113+00:002020-06-22T20:18:57.113+00:00Interesting and convincing round of events with th...Interesting and convincing round of events with the Germans having to winkle out the tough nut KV1!<br />Best Iain caveadsum1471https://www.blogger.com/profile/02174163740406928172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5368677310334370714.post-60230208349694552022020-06-22T18:07:07.996+00:002020-06-22T18:07:07.996+00:00Thanks Steve, these rules seem to bring out the ch...Thanks Steve, these rules seem to bring out the characteristics of the KV-1 quite well. The Soviet infantry arriving at the rear of the village have probably prevented a breakthrough there, just in the nick of time.Normhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05031444717952755557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5368677310334370714.post-31930876819747548732020-06-22T17:07:22.534+00:002020-06-22T17:07:22.534+00:00Very interesting Norm and those KV-1's are tou...Very interesting Norm and those KV-1's are tough nuts to crack for the Germans. I think the Soviets wisely chose more infantry in their rest phase, but we'll have to wait and see...Steve J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12143308117853983963noreply@blogger.com