tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5368677310334370714.post7941958102162092645..comments2024-03-28T16:32:41.081+00:00Comments on Battlefields and Warriors: A Bosworth Project update and interpreting history!Normhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05031444717952755557noreply@blogger.comBlogger55125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5368677310334370714.post-29744996914066198772021-03-01T12:59:38.474+00:002021-03-01T12:59:38.474+00:00Thanks Iain, between ‘lots’ of arrow heads and art...Thanks Iain, between ‘lots’ of arrow heads and artillery shotte, some of which contained iron, I would have thought that ‘war debris’ would have been all too readily laying around for us to discover ..... but apparently not! <br /><br />I hope more is discovered, as the discussions and publications that fall out of discovery does fuel interest, even to the wider public.Normhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05031444717952755557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5368677310334370714.post-79772054411507829622021-03-01T10:41:22.975+00:002021-03-01T10:41:22.975+00:00Really interesting post,lovely command stand, the ...Really interesting post,lovely command stand, the debate does seem standard for wars of the Roses Battlefields. I used to walk my dog on the more recent position of the battle of Barnet, although there had been no finds, which is strange asthe battle started with an artillery exchange and now the view is shifting back to where the 19th century memorial and where it used to be! I think the university of Durham are researching/ digging it so maybe we will know more or judging by Bosworth maybe not!<br />Best Iain caveadsum1471https://www.blogger.com/profile/02174163740406928172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5368677310334370714.post-43518514424616733892021-02-28T06:28:24.187+00:002021-02-28T06:28:24.187+00:00Thanks John, the post seems to have struck a chord...Thanks John, the post seems to have struck a chord with quite a few readers, more soon I hope.Normhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05031444717952755557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5368677310334370714.post-37054259511976007262021-02-28T01:23:14.245+00:002021-02-28T01:23:14.245+00:00Enjoyed reading this post immensely! Thanks for sh...Enjoyed reading this post immensely! Thanks for sharing.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12778030858712526137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5368677310334370714.post-89723048706522065562021-02-27T22:44:44.177+00:002021-02-27T22:44:44.177+00:00Thanks Ray, enjoyed your latest terrain piece.Thanks Ray, enjoyed your latest terrain piece.Normhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05031444717952755557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5368677310334370714.post-19855415887575306172021-02-27T22:38:33.140+00:002021-02-27T22:38:33.140+00:00Cool post Norm. I shall look forward to see this p...Cool post Norm. I shall look forward to see this project move forward.Ray Rousellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07352596392520905197noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5368677310334370714.post-45862578745542489122021-02-27T19:26:06.801+00:002021-02-27T19:26:06.801+00:00Hi Graham, of course 1985 was the big one (500th a...Hi Graham, of course 1985 was the big one (500th anniversary) so your ‘big game’ must have been especially interesting. There was much more certainty about the ‘wrong’ battlefield :-) and a lot of fun doing special rules re treachery etc.<br /><br />Interestingly, i have just read the new Osprey book and have started on Mike Ingram’s book and as early as in the introduction, he is saying that it is a misconception that the Stanley’s were ‘fence sitters’, he has them both as pro-active and signed up participants of the rebellion. I will see how gets to that, but it will likely play into the scenario rules and it may be a fun thing to explore whether the Northumberland situation was directly influenced by Lord Stanley’s actions and position on the battlefield - I will read on with interest ...... also this is a good excuse to the Men of Iron boardgame out again :-)Normhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05031444717952755557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5368677310334370714.post-71937531570665671992021-02-27T17:08:45.355+00:002021-02-27T17:08:45.355+00:00Interesting post and a good read, Bosworth was our...Interesting post and a good read, Bosworth was our second demonstration game in 1985 using revised Bill Lamming rules - individual figures! Lots of them . It’s interesting to note some of the new evidence since then, obviously the new location being pretty profound, but artillery etc. I would have hoped the archaeological finds may give a hint as to the deployment of the armies?<br />I know for the activities of the Stanley’s and Northumberland we devised a point system based on attrition to see if and when they committed to battle, The Stanley’s committed to Henry as soon as there was a slight edge to the Lancastrians but were unlikely to commit to Richard unless victory was almost a certainty likewise unless Northumberland’s troops were attacked ( unlikely) it was unlikely he would commit to Richard unless the battle had swung firmly in his favour ( I may still have the notes for this battle!) 1986 we did Tewkesbury and 1987 Stoke Field all fascinating in their own rightGraham Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05229770388869939725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5368677310334370714.post-11091370281952014532021-02-27T12:30:44.704+00:002021-02-27T12:30:44.704+00:00Thanks Keith, I’m finding that my photography is n...Thanks Keith, I’m finding that my photography is not giving the figures the same presence that I personally get when playing and like your good self, the smaller units work fine for me.<br /><br />It is easy to get into a state of ‘I need to know exactly how this battle happened’, but sometimes it is better just to step back, chill and have a fun game ....... of a game! :-)<br />Normhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05031444717952755557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5368677310334370714.post-4584304336152360832021-02-27T12:27:55.761+00:002021-02-27T12:27:55.761+00:00Lee, I think it will come back naturally. There is...Lee, I think it will come back naturally. There is certainly a constant stream of blog posts these days to inspire and motivate, plus some good YouTube Vlogs.<br /><br />Since you are so far down the road with 18mm naps, it would probably be good to look to doing something that is napoleonic but isn’t DBN or C&C as neither of those are firing you up at the moment. <br /><br />There is a set called Bataille Empire out and of course the new and heavily revised LaSalle is out (though a tad expensive for a try out), but I think both rules probably have video or blog reviews. I only mention these two sets because they do the smaller table / faster play thing, which I know will tick your boxes and it is something different. As always, I like spending other peoples money :-)<br /><br />There are probably some free sets around, just for tinkering and ‘getting into the zone’ :-)<br />Normhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05031444717952755557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5368677310334370714.post-74801288554165514382021-02-27T09:09:13.402+00:002021-02-27T09:09:13.402+00:00Really absorbing post Norm...in some ways, I doubt...Really absorbing post Norm...in some ways, I doubt it will ever be possible to say exactly where a number of earlier battles took place. I like your proposal to just use both versions and play the game twice! The figures are great and I like the unit sizes too...less is more in my book...I am not a fan of 36 or 48 man units in 28mm!rrosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07316317334203888350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5368677310334370714.post-31904610148457647602021-02-27T08:50:17.161+00:002021-02-27T08:50:17.161+00:00Ps looking forward to the bosworth day 👍Ps looking forward to the bosworth day 👍Matt Crumphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06841790422716738842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5368677310334370714.post-31316867418396504652021-02-27T08:28:45.258+00:002021-02-27T08:28:45.258+00:00Thanks for your reply Norm (as you always do). I d...Thanks for your reply Norm (as you always do). I don't wish to detract from your post in any way but this has really got me thinking about what's gone wrong for me regarding our hobby. I can certainly still engage with history and the discovery of the body of Richard III several years back was an unforgettable and highly emotionally charged moment for me which in the past would have had me ordering up WoR armies without delay. I must give the matter more thought!'Lee.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02728400013024811279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5368677310334370714.post-88478952431437659762021-02-27T06:14:36.414+00:002021-02-27T06:14:36.414+00:00Hi Shaun, thanks, looking at the way that things a...Hi Shaun, thanks, looking at the way that things are here (UK) with Covid, I think the SoA will be kicking their Bosworth day a little further into the future.<br /><br />I am doing little mini mock ups with the Sword and Spear rules and getting a feel for their subtle nuances. I will make a start on my Henry command stand today, though still a long road to travel for the OOB that i want.Normhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05031444717952755557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5368677310334370714.post-11161613736935682102021-02-27T05:01:38.596+00:002021-02-27T05:01:38.596+00:00Hello Norm
Note of interest that the Battle Of Bo...Hello Norm<br /><br />Note of interest that the Battle Of Bosworth is this year's Society Of Ancients Battle Day battle (it was going to be 2020 but was postponed to this year). To be played late March. I am like you in that I was thinking of playing it in March 2020, did some research and found the most recent stuff, and conflicting deployment! I moved onto to other projects but still keen on the battle so following this with interest. Of the rules you list I think Sword and Spear is a good choice, even though I haven't played with them they seem well suited.<br /><br />Good luck on the project! Oh, and the SOA page for Bosworth Battle Day with some useful info is here:<br /><br />http://soa.org.uk/joomla/battle-dayShaun Travershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05691522858410783769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5368677310334370714.post-5571051592397433412021-02-26T22:28:18.093+00:002021-02-26T22:28:18.093+00:00Thanks Mike, this has my fullest attention at the ...Thanks Mike, this has my fullest attention at the moment, so I hope it goes somewhere.Normhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05031444717952755557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5368677310334370714.post-40709485575322359682021-02-26T22:26:46.789+00:002021-02-26T22:26:46.789+00:00Thanks Mark, I have just closed the Osprey book, ...Thanks Mark, I have just closed the Osprey book, which I enjoyed and will start on Ingram’s book tomorrow. Enjoy your read.Normhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05031444717952755557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5368677310334370714.post-23541519795552177682021-02-26T21:03:35.171+00:002021-02-26T21:03:35.171+00:00Love the broad perspective covering history, the l...Love the broad perspective covering history, the latest ideas on the location of Bosworth, issues of unit size and basing, background books, plus great pictures of the figures that you've painted and all the scenery creating diaramas. Always, always a good read.Polydorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08875339847623732683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5368677310334370714.post-3023490498864178842021-02-26T20:39:59.161+00:002021-02-26T20:39:59.161+00:00An outstanding post. While I have never had a int...An outstanding post. While I have never had a interest in the war of Roses you have me calling my local library to see if they can get me the books you recommend. Many thanks!Old Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10414321650267966787noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5368677310334370714.post-74068884558121259312021-02-26T20:02:30.975+00:002021-02-26T20:02:30.975+00:00Thanks Steve, more to follow and thanks for suppor...Thanks Steve, more to follow and thanks for supporting the Hastings game. Your plate 2021 plate is full :-)Normhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05031444717952755557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5368677310334370714.post-79971455738769150102021-02-26T19:48:35.026+00:002021-02-26T19:48:35.026+00:00Norm you have my full attention with this project!...Norm you have my full attention with this project! Cant wait to see more, sir. Also - I just picked up your Hastings rules / boardgame and am keen to give it a go. I'm really broadening my horizons this year playing eras and periods I know little about! Disgruntled Fusilierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10995610821904415726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5368677310334370714.post-62813487737695674532021-02-26T19:28:11.725+00:002021-02-26T19:28:11.725+00:00Surely. And I’ll be interested in what you think ...Surely. And I’ll be interested in what you think of Sword and Spear. It’s a fun rule set. Though I never could wrap my head around why you can’t have your line charge the enemy line at once but have to go in one unit at a time. It’s rough. 😀Stewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00340930167419307092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5368677310334370714.post-45890069630893275042021-02-26T13:50:55.494+00:002021-02-26T13:50:55.494+00:00Thanks Matt, I have Basic Impetvs 2, so will have ...Thanks Matt, I have Basic Impetvs 2, so will have a look at that compared to their army list, it sounds a very do-able sized army. The Society of Ancients are doing Bosworth this year for their Battle Day, so there could be a good bit of interest in Bosworth projects this year.Normhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05031444717952755557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5368677310334370714.post-7967692035326870102021-02-26T12:51:45.286+00:002021-02-26T12:51:45.286+00:00great Post Norm,
I fought it four years ago usin...great Post Norm, <br /><br />I fought it four years ago using impetus from memory my army was 5 units of Longbow A and B (8 minis per base, 40 figs) three bases skirmisher archers (4-6 figs each) 6 units of MAA Bill mixed (10-12 figs per base) in double units with depth (two flank units with front MAA back Bill), two gun models and 1 mounted MAA (6 figs) and 1 mounted crossbow (4 figs). I had a victory for the Yorkists and it was played on a 6x4 table, based on the old battlefield. <br /><br />I should see I can put on a game for the anniversary this year.<br /><br />cheers<br />Matt Bluewillowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08826519858479170953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5368677310334370714.post-63295727031839642772021-02-26T10:50:04.291+00:002021-02-26T10:50:04.291+00:00Hi Lee, thanks, there will be more on this project...Hi Lee, thanks, there will be more on this project as it is likely to be where my 2021 effort goes.<br /><br />As for motivation, I do think about these things. For myself, over the past couple of years I have been ‘engineering’ my gaming and collecting towards a space that I used to enjoy as a youngster, when the hobby was just fun, whether playing, researching or collecting, it was just a simpler, fun thing to do and of course youth finds excitement in everything, so I am looking for more concise gaming that doesn’t take itself too seriously and if it can look pretty along the way, then all the better.<br /><br />I also think that a regime of behaviour needs to be grown and nurtured, so that gaming becomes a ‘go to’ habit, take a break from anything for long enough and that feeds in to a new behaviour of avoidance as other things fill that space - worse, it becomes too easy to increase ‘screen time’ as an alternative, I keep fighting that. Even falling out of the habit of reading rules makes a new set look harder to get into, although that could be by grey cells being less sharp :-)<br /><br />My weak spot (your strength) is painting, a short break on my part can easily lead to a big break. This is the one area that I feel needs a better discipline on my part, but it does feel workmanlike rather than painting for pleasure, though my 28’s have brought a bit more painting joy.<br /><br />For your gaming, I imagine the whirlwind of changing circumstances over the past 4 years must have had a dampening effect. For the past 2 years, I have kept a diary of my gaming activity (to do an end of year post), so it becomes very noticeable when a gap in the schedule appears and I redouble efforts to get a game to the table.<br /><br />One thing that I have noticed is that I don’t really want to play long games anymore. I throw some in as a sort of treat game fest now and then, but I am most happy with the 2 - 3 slot. I don’t want it so brief that it becomes superficial, but I think we all have a different sweet spot on that sort of thing.<br /><br />And yes, that morning space with a coffee is a quality peaceful time to enjoy posting, glad that this blog continues to be a place that you find worth visiting.Normhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05031444717952755557noreply@blogger.com